Tell People About Your Book

Stuart: Everybody, Happy New Year and welcome to another episode of the Book More show. First for 2020, it's Stuart Bell here, and today I'm talking with Betsy Vaughan. We're going to dive a little deeper into some of the basics, the steps that everyone should be doing to promote their book once it's complete. So interesting call. Great way to start the year. It's almost a recap if anything. We often talk to people about these ideas, but this morning Betsy had a call with someone who was looking for some advice, but we'd actually run through a lot of these details already six months later, though, a number of them had been implemented. So bit of a recap, going deeper on a couple of the subjects. And then towards the end of the show, we're just wrapping up by looking at an interesting example of when to use additional material in your book. Can often be something that trips people up. This idea that you need to include more and more and then that becomes a job of creating more and more, which obviously slows the whole process project down and causes delays unnecessarily. But there are a couple of examples of where it really adds value. So we dive a little deeper looking into those. So another great episode. Great way to start off the year. Excited about the year ahead and working with you guys to get more books created, more conversations started. So dive in and I will catch you on the other side. Betsy Vaughan, Stuart Bell.

Guest: Happy 2020.

Stuart: Happy 2020. That sounds a little bit crazy.

Guest: It really does. Came a little too fast. I saw something today that said 2020, where 2050 and 1990, there's the same time difference. But I mean, that's insane when you think about that, like 30 years, you

Stuart: know, at the risk of getting anyone that's listening to kind of drive or jump off a cliff. That's. We were playing the game with the kids over the. Over the Christmas break, kind of calculating back now to. So it came about because we were watching Back to the Future, the original one. So playing the game of doing okay from when Back to the Future released to today, going back to when Lucy and I were born, back that many years and we were like hitting the Second World War. It's just. It's just not right.

Guest: Yeah, no, it is. It's kind of crazy. So.

Stuart: Yeah, anyway, well, hopefully, hopefully you're still listening and that hasn't kind of depressed you too much. But take it as fair warning that the years go fast. So crack on and write a book

Guest: Crack on and write a book yeah, it's that time of Year where all the calls will come in. You know, everyone has put in their intentions and they're it. That's my new word. Instead of saying resolution, their intentions are Dina for oh, January is very busy for us around here and lots of calls and I need to do a book and I'm gonna do a book. And so the excitement is all stirring in January, so always looking forward to that.

Stuart: It's when you. We look back and calls a schedule with people and then look back and think, oh no, it wasn't so long ago that we spoke, surely. And look back and it actually was 12 months ago.

Guest: Yeah, easily. Sometimes longer. Yeah.

Stuart: Well, talking of intentions we had this call was inspired by someone that you were talking to earlier today. So we'll change the names to protect the innocent or the guilty, but we were talking about promoting the book after it's done. So a lot of times when we're talking to people towards the end of the process or previous podcasts that we've been on, there are several things that we suggest. But it's surprising how often we'll talk to people again months after the original conversation and say, okay, what have you, what have you done? Or what you're doing? And a lot of the things that were suggested in the first place or a lot of the things that people have heard about in the background aren't necessarily being done. So I think today let's talk about a couple of the really foundational and straightforward and simple things you can do to get your book out there and really kind of generate interest, not really in the book itself because as we talk about a lot, we're not too bothered about the books themselves as things, but what we are interested in is generating that interest and conversation around potentially doing business with people. So I think revisit some of the basics, give people some takeaway ideas. Obviously just turned the new year, so there's a couple of time based ideas and and then see where we go from there.

Guest: Sounds good. That's a. Yeah, I think basics are good. And as I was speaking to that gentleman, you know, I shared with you that I was bringing things up with him and he kept, oh, I've heard you talk about that. Oh, you said that. Oh, but I'm not doing it.

Stuart: So it's the same across anything. I was listening to a podcast as I was doing some work earlier on today, podcast playing in the background, talking about. It was a CrossFit based podcast and they were talking there about programming and how people very often will talk to coaches and say I want to do something more, I want to do something extra, I want to do something new. But they're not knocking it out of the park with the basics. So the general workout that most phosphate classes are class based. Everyone does the same workout. It's kind of infinitely scalable. So you can kind of tailor it to your own, to your own capability and efforts and how you're feeling on that day. But still, people will come up wanting to do more or it's kind of like the magic trick idea of whatever the basics are, aren't good enough. People want, oh yeah, but what's the real secret? And really the real secret is doing the basics and getting them done.

Guest: So it's universally, you're speaking about CrossFit, but that is across the board. Like, you know, start, start here. And then when you've mastered these, these, this basic, then take that leap and do some more things. I think people always want that. They want more. I don't know if glamorous is the word, but they want. The basics aren't always good enough, you know, in their mind. Right in their mind. But, you know, we have found the basics are more than enough, you know, it doesn't have to be all glitz and glam and, you know, out there. So, yeah, listen.

Stuart: Yeah, exactly. And it's. The other element of it is almost boredom or interest or this kind of needing to be constantly stimulated, which is true across the board in, in everything. But I wonder too, if part of the secret going forward, the way of kind of tricking yourselves into keep pushing through those basic things and where the novelty or where the newness wears off is just being able to put systems in place so that a lot of these things are done in the background without you necessarily having to do more stuff, doing things in a way that is scalable. When we look at the podcast side of the business, a lot of the steps to that process, it's really just churning through the same steps, having images and posting it on various different forums, pushing it to all of the podcast feed places, making sure that the text is in the right place at the right time. None of that is necessarily that interesting or stimulating because it's new, but having the systems in place so that you just enter the text once and it pushes out to several locations so you're not having to do the seven steps that need to be done. You don't need to do those seven steps each time because that's quite a disincentive to continue. But all of these things that we're Talking about the basics as much as possible, putting them in place so that they are done once. And it's almost the if you can't do that, then it's the who, not how type approach of rather than working out and deciding that you need to be the one that does all this, find a service that can do it for you to make sure that it is done. Because I think that's where people fall down a lot as well. It's maybe we'll take the first couple of steps or do it the first couple of times, but that having that consistency in place is where it gets, well, a bit repetitive and boring sometimes, but without that baseline of activity. So some of the things that we'll talk about in some of the social platforms that we'll get to in a minute, those are. I mean, that's the classic example. I'm not really. I very rarely post on social transcript. I'm just not that engaged in it. But then having to do it for. For the podcast, as an example, if I was just left to my own, If I had to trust myself to remember to go in and do it each week, that would never happen. So having systems that are in place or finding other people who can do it is the way to get past that kind of internal resistance that comes in that makes resolutions and intentions fall by the wayside by the end of the month.

Guest: Right, right. That's true.

Stuart: Should also lay a disclaimer.

Guest: No, no, go ahead.

Stuart: I was just gonna say should also lay a disclaimer at the beginning of the episode that you can probably hear. My voice is a little bit croaky, so I'm gonna try and power through and hope that my voice doesn't give out by the end of the episode, but hopefully we'll get through.

Guest: I hope not. Hope not. And I'll let a disclaimer that I have three dogs sitting behind me and they probably will bark at some point.

Stuart: We're doing it live, so.

Guest: Right.

Stuart: The year's intention of making sure that we get the podcast done might sometimes mean that it's not the perfect. We're not waiting.

Guest: Exactly. You know what I mean? Look, here we are on the 3rd of January and we're here. So that's. That's a great start. Let's, you know, we'll just keep it, keep it going for the, for the first month and see how our intention plays out into February. Yeah, exactly. All right, so let's talk about some, Some ideas. Like, like, even in general, like, even if you don't have A book, some ideas of just, you know, marketing the book or the business. In this case, this gentleman that I was speaking to, and I know we're going to send this to him and he's going to hear this and be like, I know she's talking about me, but that's okay, it's all love. And so. But that was one of the things that, you know, he was concerned with, like more exposure with the book. And, and my question to him was, are you concerned about exposure for the book or are we concerned more about exposure for the business? You know, what's the ultimate goal? You know.

Stuart: Exactly. And that's the best point, isn't it? We're talking about the book as the thing, as the example, but really what we're looking at doing is engaging and that's the main thing. So whether it is a new video that you've done the book, they're releasing, a conversation you want to have with someone, it's getting it in front of people. So I wanted to start off by looking at some of the lowest hanging fruit, some of the assets that you've got out there already that are doing things today. And just a little tweak can add in this extra element. So not reinventing a new system, a new process, but just tweaking existing things to help promote the likelihood of that you'll start a conversation with someone. So the first and the most obvious, and I still can't believe that. So people, so few people do this, but include the book on your website. I'd say that 100% of everyone that's listening has a website for their product or service already particularly. And again, we're going to talk about the book as the example for everything, just to give some context. But everyone's got a website already. Everyone who's listening to this either has a book or is thinking about creating a book. So once it's done, including it as a great way of people starting a conversation is almost a no brainer. For the majority of the conversations that we're having with people, it's put the book front and center on the homepage. So when you think about how traffic gets to the site, there's a couple of ways. One is that you're directing people there, two is that people are going there for other reasons and three is that people are organically going there, haven't been directly there from a Google search or link on someone else's site, that kind of traffic that's coming past, if you're directing people there, then the thing to think about is how, how are you directing people there and what the context is of that conversation. So often people ask, okay, well, the book website, should I put the book on my website or should I have a website for the book? And the answer is both, because they're both doing different jobs. If you're directing specific traffic to this place so people can request a copy of the book. So a great example is like a Google AdWords ad. If you had a book on, it's January, so everyone's talking about dieting. So if you had a book on fasting and you were running Google Ads about getting a copy of the fasting book, then the place that you would want to send there is to the book website. Because as much as possible, you want to give people the opportunity to complete the thought that they've already had. They've already clicked on the ad so that they want the copy of the book. So the website, its sole purpose is just for them to finish that thought. You don't want to add any other distractions or additional information or make them question that decision. So no more information. Don't want to send them to your website that's got a whole load of other stuff at this stage, just want them to execute on that thought. If then the other end of the spectrum, people who are organically coming to the site because they're doing a search for a particular thing and they're finding the site in search results and then they're coming to the website, then they're not necessarily coming specifically for the book, they're coming for broader information. But the book is the easiest way to get them to raise their hand, opt in at a very low commitment way, and then you can start the conversation with them afterwards. So two points to the website. One is where you have the book website and the intention there is to allow someone to finish a thought that they've already got. You don't want to introduce any other information. The second one is where people are coming for other reasons, but the book then becomes a great way of them raising the hand and opting in and getting started in a conversation with you without the only other option being click here to, to arrange an appointment and come into the office, that type of thing. Now, this is different maybe for online services or something where the expectation is that they're going to execute there straight away. So it is worth bearing in mind, kind of think about that customer avatar. What is the reason that people are going to be landing on this particular page, but the majority of people, as you're listening to this. The people that we write with are product or service providers that are delivering something that isn't necessarily executed on the website. It's not like it's an online type service.

Guest: Right, right, right.

Stuart: So I think that's good. Sorry, I was just going to say.

Guest: We've never done this before, have we?

Stuart: No. Should we go for a third time?

Guest: Go ahead.

Stuart: Literally all I was going to say was I was just going to recap. So it's still a surprise that one of the basics and one of the easiest things to do is add the book to your site front and center so that it does give that passing traffic away of raising its hand.

Guest: And that's exactly what I was going to say. Because people, that's one of the questions we get asked all the time when the book is finished, like should I use a landing page or should I put on my website? I mean, that is. You think that's pretty simple, you know, that it's a no brainer, you know, let's do both, you know, so. Yeah, got it, got it.

Stuart: Okay, so the second one then is Super Signatures. Now we've had this, I think we did an entire show on Super Signatures, episode 60.

Guest: Yes, we did. It was.

Stuart: I'm guessing that you were talking on the phone about that before rather than you've memorized every episode.

Guest: Actually, I was. Exactly. So I was googling Super Signature and it actually comes up in a Google search.

Stuart: Okay, there you go.

Guest: Yeah, there we are.

Stuart: So Super Signature, then head Back to episode 60 to dive in deeper. So I'll just briefly recap. This is your email, another asset that's going out every day, day in, day out anyway. And the Super Signature is an idea of including in the footer of the signature rather than just having your email address and telephone number or whatever disclaimer you need for your particular industry, adding in there a note saying, here are two, three, four steps that we can help you with whenever you're ready. So the intention here is not that this is going to directly relate to immediate business. This isn't so much of a campaign based thing where you're actively trying to drive traffic with a certain outcome in mind. This is more of the passive. This email, this asset, this thing is going out anyway, so I might as well add a reference to the book in it. And then if one person a year sees it and responds to it and starts a conversation and becomes a customer, then it's worthwhile because there's no additional cost to add a Super Signature to your Email address. So a couple of examples for Super Signature. Here are three ways we can help you whenever you're ready would be head to the website and check out some more videos, a kind of a zero commitment step that you can give people to learn more. If you know that the majority of your customers are receiving emails or their entry point to the conversation is on a particular subject, rather than just generically directing people to the website for more information, then specifically direct them to something that's very relevant for our emails on one of our Super Signature elements. That one of our Super Signature points that will go out on this email as this podcast is released says, head over to the website and check out the titles and outline workshops that we did. We know that that's a big question that comes up. So we're directing people specifically in that direction and whenever they're ready, they can find out more. Now, we know from experience that people have been receiving the emails and have been on the podcast list for years. And at some point down the track, then suddenly the time is right for them. And that Super Signature element resonates with them.

Guest: It's that constant seeing it, you know, without like, I think we were talking about like my fiance specifically, we were doing a super signature for him last year and trying to get just enough information without it being, you know, too much. And, you know, we pulled together three, three things that, you know, are beneficial to his business. And it's just people seeing those every time scrolling down and, and something, you know, like you said, it resonates like, oh, you know what, I need a water assessment. I think there's something wrong with the water here. I remember that guy sent me that email and it was at the bot, you know, and it just.

Stuart: And you know what? That's a perfect example. Yet that water treatment test, water quality test is a perfect. And we named it something specific like the Tampa water quality test, just to tie it because obviously there's some geographic element to Mike's business. So we named it something specific. That water treatment test is a perfect example because for three years someone might receive that regular communication that's got useful, helpful, healthy homeowner information in there, week in, week out, month in, month out, that water treatment thing might not resonate with them until they've got a problem. And then knowing that either a, they'll remember that super signature option because of that familiarity, just as you're describing, or they'll receive an email in the next couple of days that's got the same super signature in there. If I'VE got a water issue today. Then suddenly now is now. I think last week with Dean, I think it was in last week's show. I was talking about with someone last week we were talking about this concept of it's either now or it's not now for someone. There's no other. There's no other element to it. It's either now or not now. And the problem is you don't know when not now becomes now. So this consistency of the Super Signature aims to overcome that challenge. There's a certain amount of core of 101 level of beginner level, entry level elements that you know, customers are going to be interested in. And this consistent Super Signature is aimed at having that being there when now becomes now for someone. Because today isn't necessarily now or isn't now for everyone.

Guest: Obviously, I've never public.

Stuart: I was just gonna say, and obviously the book is the perfect thing to stick into a Super Signature. Now, just to add a bit of nuance there again, on the distribution list for this podcast, we know that everyone who's on the list is 99% of them have seen the copy of the 90 minute book. So we wouldn't necessarily put that. And in fact, I don't think we do put the book as a download for this particular Super Signature because we know that almost all of the audience has seen it already. But as we release another book down the track or the workshops or the thing that is useful for people who are receiving this, that would be worthwhile. Some of the other emails that go out for people who are less likely to have downloaded it already, that is a Super Signature element in there because again, knowing and understanding and taking an assessment of who the audience is that's going to receive it. Generally we've changed which Super Signature elements are included in which. And just as we said at the start, the idea is to set these up so that you don't have to think about it every time. If on every email that you sent out, you had to think, okay, now I need to send a Super Signature. What do I need to include in there? And manually add in those three or four elements every time, that's not going to work because you're going to do it once or twice when you're interested, but two months down the track, I can guarantee you're not going to be doing anymore. So don't get too hung up on the details. Put something in there. There. That is the best first effort that you can give yourself 15 minutes worth of time. Put something in There, that's the best first effort there. And then refine it later if you decide on a better idea, or change it later if the intention or the direction changes. But the key is put it in there and have it set up in a way that you can do it once, then not have to think about it again. But it's always there, presenting to people when now becomes now for them.

Guest: Right. That, that's great. I like when I see people who I now notice, you know, super signatures more. You know, there was a time where I probably never paid attention to it, but I really pay attention to that now, particularly people who have. Who didn't have a super signature before. Now I see them using. You know, they're super. They've got this great, super signature and great information and I'm very aware of it. But the ones who put in the author, like, that's kind of a big deal when you think about it, you know, like, right. Author of relationship for keeps or whatever. Like, wow, that's kind of a big deal to have there, you know, Whereas if nothing else about the businesses there, that's kind of a good thing to have. You know, get a copy of my book here or, you know, here's a link to get my book or whatever. So.

Stuart: And it does that element of kind of social credibility, the whole purpose of the whole reason that we created the book business is not because we wanted to create books as such. It was because books were the best way of identifying those invisible prospects and getting people to raise their hand. Because in part, all of this additional kind of social or psychological benefits and, and bonus points that go along with having a book created. So being able to refer to that and that, I guess carries on to the social profiles element that we were talking about, your LinkedIn profile, your Facebook page, your Twitter profile, all of these things which are out there already, the about pages on websites, the. The blurby definition profile, stuff that you send to people if you're speaking on other people's podcasts or if you're talking at events or as you go and talk at get in front of audiences, all of this bio stuff is out there already in various different forms and depending on what you do to various different degrees. But adding in the book to that type of thing, adding in the fact that you are an author carries through quite a lot of that. There's an additional social boost or credibility boost just because you're putting those words on the page and those other assets that are out there already. LinkedIn. I know you were talking earlier about LinkedIn that as a channel. So one of our intentions this year is to up our LinkedIn game because it's really something that we've ignored over the last couple of years.

Guest: Right.

Stuart: If in no small part because LinkedIn's a pen in the backside and as soon as you touch it, they kind of email you repeatedly. Goodness.

Guest: They are a little crazy. Yeah, you get those random email, you know, I don't go to my LinkedIn very often, but. But yeah, very, very much so. But I think people are more into it more now than. Than they were, you know, before. It's kind of making a comeback, I think there for several years ago, people were really into it and you know, constantly seeing notifications and stuff. But then it kind of just got quiet, a little quiet. And now I'm seeing more and more people. A lot of people that we deal with, you know, that, that I've connected with on there, they're really using, you know, that platform over. Over Facebook or.

Stuart: Yeah, it does seem to have entered. Right? Yeah, exactly. And I don't know whether it's because. And it's difficult not to overlay your own perceptions or biases on what else is happening out there in the world, but I think for, particularly for certain industries, hugely beneficial when we look at all of the B2B stuff rather than the B2C stuff. I mean, we were talking with Justin a few weeks ago and he has a huge LinkedIn presence. Mike Mack we used on the, on our Facebook page, we put a shot, quick video with Mike Mack's latest book up there. He's got a huge Facebook presence and a lot of these B2B people who are bigger players in the B2B space are using that as a platform, much more so than on the consumer side and much more so than just on a kind of passive social channel side. So I think it's well worth looking at for anyone who does play in that space a little bit more. But also, even if you're not, even if you're not a huge player in that space, if you have the opportunity, using some of the services like Buffer or Zapier, some of these services that will post to multiple channels in ways that make sense, then being able to write, update your profiles across the board so that it refers to the book, but also as you release stuff, or if you, when you release stuff that does make reference to the book, release it to all of those channels, then using these intermediary services that will post multiple places at once again reduces this friction of having to go to several places. The only thing I would say on that is it is probably worthwhile thinking about dominating one of those platforms or having one of those platforms as the primary source and then also distributing to the other ones. So whichever one for your business you think is more beneficial really put the time and attention into creating and crafting a message that is perfect for that particular space and then just cross post to the other ones rather than trying to, rather not put in the effort into any of them and just kind of blasting out to all of them in a kind of non refined way because each of them does kind of treat, each of them does treat the message in a slightly different way. So it is worthwhile to take that extra step on, on one of them.

Guest: At least I think so. It's funny, I just pulled my LinkedIn page up just as we were sitting here and seeing there's a lot of our clients right in front of me, you know, like in the last last month there's like four posts for one of our, like four or five of our clients right in front of me. So it's really interesting to see I don't pay attention to it. So I'm going to make that one of my intentions to focus on LinkedIn a little bit more. There's not as much Riff Raff on LinkedIn I find as some of the other, you know, it's the best way to put, I think it is probably more productive information on here versus, you know. Exactly, exactly.

Stuart: So and I think that, I think

Guest: it's just a no brainer. You know, these sites, if you have, if you have the availability to get them on, you know, all of these sites and you're wanting exposure for your book and, or your business. It really is, it's a no brainer. If you have the time. If you don't have the time, if you have someone in your office that can, you know, or you have like a 6, 16 year old kid that you're willing to pay 10 bucks an hour to, you know, because that's the ideal person to post your social media these days. You know, it really is great. You know there's, it's a great, the great platforms, you know, top of my list here. I'm looking three hours ago, Mike Mac, we were just talking about him. He posted, you know, something on there and, and seeing all these reactions and comments and stuff, you know, people engaging in that conversation. So that's kind of,

Stuart: and I think that's the thing, we started talking about posting and updating these assets that are out there anyway. So they're kind of passively running in the background things that are already there. But I don't think it's worth picking one platform that you really want to invest in because that comment and engagement and feedback, it's, it's not as effective if you're not willing to put in that time or not that it's not as effective, but it's definitely more effective if you're willing to engage and be there in a very real way. So whether that is LinkedIn or Facebook or Instagram or Reddit or an individual social network that's very industry specific, pick the one that is the most important and put some more effort in behind that. But all of the rest of them then just update the profiles so and cross post to them as many as practical so that you can get that, that exposure.

Guest: That's great. That's great advice. Yeah.

Stuart: One, two last ones I want to cover. Kind of forget whenever we jump on the phone how quick time goes. So two quick ones before we wrap up. One of them is this fact that it is new year and there are a lot of resolutions or intentions being made people across the board. Engagement in everything tends to spike up in January. You said that we experience ourselves, we get more busier gyms, diet classes, anything that's goals orientated. All of that spikes in the new year. So with that in mind, it's worthwhile thinking about where is that activity going on at the moment in your industry? Because there is a time cap on that by the time we get into February, that kind of peak in activity just because of people's intentionality, it's kind of waned a little bit that it, that does have a clock running against it. So if you're in the fitness space, then trying to think about where the conversations are going on about people becoming more fit, not just relying on kind of Google searches or paid traffic, but what conversations are going on in your local area or online informs that you frequent that you can jump in and contribute to that conversation. And if and when the time is right, use the book as a, as a way of getting people to raise their hand as more interested than the rest of the population out there in the physical area. If there are meetup groups, which we've talked about before, or community groups or PTA parents, child type groups at schools, all of these things where groups of people congregate and then at this particular time of year they're having a conversation about your subject. What are those groups? It's worth taking some Time now to think about what are those groups and how you can engage in them, and how you can give them free copies of the book, how you can speak in front of those groups, how you can deliver a workshop or a tutorial or anything to start that conversation. Because this is a great time for you, just as if you're in retail sales, making those efforts going into Thanksgiving and Christmas, making that effort to make sure that you're best positioned to sell the most product at that time. Being now best positioned to start as many conversations as possible is a great way of setting yourself up for the year ahead. And then the last point that I wanted to touch on was a conversation. I had a strategy call with someone just before Christmas, Chantal Vermeer, who is an illustrator in the Netherlands. Her book is We've Got a Couple in the Office Here. So her book is fantastic example of someone who's used images and additional content in a very meaningful way. So one of the reasons I wanted to talk about it, and it's a. It's a little off subject to where we've been so far, but. But it's perfectly on subject when we think about the reason for doing something. So we've just talked about all of these things that you could do and the fact that you should do it. And adding that little bit more attention as to the reason why you're doing it kind of gives it a bit more depth and specificity. So with Chantal's book, it's the same thing about using images. We often talk about the fact that images in the book don't necessarily move the needle. And if there's a lot of overhead or it's a pain to get additional content in there, it's not really going to make it go that much faster. Well, definitely not going to make the process go any faster. It's not going to make it more effective. The two exceptions that I can that really spring to mind as good illustrations are this book of Chantals. There's another book that we created where there are checklists involved. And then I guess the third option is the third example is this example of where it doesn't make any difference, but you have the assets anyway, so why not? Because it does add to the visual engagement. So quickly touch on those three points. Chantal's book, the whole thing is around illustration, and her drawing courses are around using illustration to make the point and to capture where you are at a certain point in light in life, and to set up that intentionality of where you want to get to so almost like storyboarding or. I can't figure out what the right word is. Not dream boarding. That makes it sound too. Doesn't make it sound specific enough, but a very graphic and real way of getting these ideas down there. Now, the reason that illustrations in her book, almost an essential, not just a nice to have, is exactly that the whole purpose of what she's doing is around drawing. So for her, including those elements in there, not only do they then engage the reader even more, and the type of person requesting her book, who she wants to attend her course, will or she wants to go to their event and illustrate their event for them, they're the exact same person who is really going to resonate with the fact that the drawings are in the book in the first place. So does that make sense? That kind of. It's the purpose of the illustrations or the purpose of the additional content, not the fact that there is additional content that is really the game changer and makes. Makes a difference, right?

Guest: Right. No, definitely. Definitely.

Stuart: A lot of time, I think a lot of times people think, oh, additional content. I have got some things, I probably should put them in there. So let's put them in there without necessarily thinking about the reason for it and does it actually make a difference? So Chantal's book is a prime example of where it absolutely makes a difference and there's absolute intentionality and it really does amplify and benefit what's in there. The second example that I gave was the checklist example. So where you've got very specific things that you're trying to guide people towards that revolve around checklists, because you want to evidence to someone they're in the right place and they're going down the right path. And the way that you can help them is by this particular algorithm or formula or way of calculating things in those situations, adding that into the book. So rather than just talking about it, actually having the example of in there is another way where it's absolutely adding very specific, very useful additional content. So you're not just chucking a checklist in there for the sake of chucking it in. You're not just. You're not trying to invent something just for the sake of putting it in there. It absolutely amplifies and backs up the point that you're trying to get across in the first place. Now, the. The time where that could fall down is if your processor or checklist or the thing that you're talking about is too complicated. There's too much to it. The space that you've got in a book is only so much space. I remember we had an example a while ago of where someone was trying to put their formula, their financial formulas in there, and even someone being interested in the subject, it was confusing as heck and it really a pretty sure we took it out in the end, but it was just too complicated because really the calculations that needed to be done on the numbers were pretty complex calculations. And the expectation in order to get the numbers into the book was that you had a calculation or computer by the side of you where you were typing in all these formulas to get these numbers out too much. In the context of the book, it doesn't make sense. Yeah. A better example there was directing someone to an online form where they can fill in the numbers and the numbers and the result is generated for them at that moment. The other benefit to that is, again, it's this idea of the back cover copy, as we've talked about before, having a second step of being able to push people who. Or direct people who are more engaged, more inclined to do some work with you to another online resource where they can opt in to get additional information. It separates out the. The mildly interested from the very interested people. Using this example of the more complicated math around these formulas, not only was it too complicated for the book, but it also then gave the author an opportunity to highlight those very engaged people because they were the ones who were willing to go to a website, collect a few bits of data, enter the numbers, and kind of jump through those hoops in order to get the outcome that they wanted.

Guest: Yeah.

Stuart: So that. That's the second example.

Guest: Yeah.

Stuart: Again, though, just as with Chantal, it's really adding stuff where it is specific and it amplifies what you're trying to. What you're talking about in the first place, rather than just putting in for the sake of it. The third option.

Guest: That's a hard battle to fight sometimes because I want everything in there. Everybody wants everything. And so sometimes. Listen, is it really valuable? Is it supporting it? Is it, you know, is there a better option? Like you said, can we send somebody to, you know, someplace to fill that out, that information out? I think it's definitely. People have to kind of pull back and sometimes we get a little pushback on that, I think.

Stuart: Yeah, it can be difficult as well for people. If you're very close to it, then it's difficult to put yourself in the position of the reader and think about what their level of understanding is. Now, the kind of flip side to that, I guess, is if you write in a book that's specifically for a very educated market, so that they're not going to have any problem with doing what you're suggesting doing, and the fact that it is difficult and complicated and a pain in the neck doesn't detract from it at all, then by all means, leave it in. But I think it's definitely having an honest conversation and thinking, who's, like, likely to read this? What's the purpose of including in here? How does it move the conversation forward? Is there a better way of doing it? Then it's not just doing it for the sake of doing it. It's doing it with a particular reason and framework in mind. That then leads on to the third and third last group that I was thinking of as I was talking about a moment ago, which is the using it for the sake of using it because it doesn't. It doesn't cause any harm. So this is for the group of people who probably have a large set of assets already that they could include in the book. So checklists that will fit, diagrams that make sense and illegible in a book format, illustrations that are there and already created that just amplify and kind of highlight the message a little bit. All of these things that. What we're not saying is just because you've got a load of stuff already, don't chuck it in the book for the sake of chucking it in a book. What we're saying is you may have a very large suite of assets that you could draw from, and from that large suite, a subset of them might actually make sense in the book. They don't necessarily amplify or emphasize a point. It's not worth going to the effort of putting a lot of time and effort into creating it in order for it to get in a fit state to be in the book. But if it's already there, then why not use it? So, as people will probably know already, our process is mainly based around recording and turning that recording into the content of the book. We've got a couple of products. Some of them include image placement and that type of thing for you. But for the majority of people, you're probably not in a situation where you've got these assets already. That means that in order to include anything, it's going to be time and effort on your part to get it created in a way that's fit for purpose. So unless it's really amplifying the message and expanding on the point in a meaningful way, like with Chantal, like with the example of the checklist where it really did emphasize the point, then it's not worth doing because that time would be better spent into doing some of these basics that we talked about earlier. To update the website, to update the email super signature, to put an autoresponder onto sequence in place where people can opt in and then you engage them in conversation. All of those things are far better value than creating additional content in the book just for the sake of having additional content. However, if you do have a whole load of stuff, some of which you can pull from, that might be the third example of when it's worthwhile doing.

Guest: That's some good stuff there.

Stuart: That has definitely got to the end of my croaky voice. I can feel notes how you feel now. It might be done for the week. We're recording just at the end of Friday, so that might be it as far as talking goes.

Guest: Maybe some hot tea for you when we hang up.

Stuart: I started with hot coffee, but I'm now on cold coffee, so it definitely helps.

Guest: Very good.

Stuart: Okay.

Guest: I think this was a good, good episode for sure. Great way to start the year and I think people want to dig a little deeper into maybe super signatures. They can go check out that other episode 60. So yeah, good stuff.

Stuart: Yeah, I think that's, that's good advice. If you're wanting more information or if you want us to dive into something that we haven't or missed or skipped on this call, then just shoot us an email as well to podcast at 90 Minute Books and we're here waiting. We can grab that message and talk about it in the next show. I mentioned the super signature on this email. If you are just listening to this and aren't on any of the mailing lists. So don't get the emails even if you subscribe just to kind of peek behind the curtains and see what we're doing. The easiest way to get on the list is to head over to 90minutebooks.com and subscribe. Download a copy of the 90 Minute Book and then you'll be on the list that goes out. The next best thing. Assuming that everyone listening is on that list already. The next best thing you can do, short of actually just getting started, is to head over to bookblueprintscore.com and fill out the your own tailored personalized version of the book Blueprint Scorecard. So there we go through the eight mindsets on of writing a great book to build your business. It's very much worthwhile. If you've completed already recently, you're just getting started or you're thinking about getting started, head over there, fill out the book blueprint scorecard for yourself, and that'll give some new ways of thinking about things that perhaps might seem basic or you might not have thought about at all.

Guest: Very good. Awesome.

Stuart: Alrighty. Well, thanks for your time, Betsy. Thanks to everyone listening and as always, we will catch you in the next one.

Guest: Take care of.